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Coffin of Jesus' Brother found

"James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" was carved in Aramaic - "Ya'akov bar Yosef akhui diYeshua" - on the burial box.

In the name of the brother Jerusalem Post Oct. 24, 2002 By ELLIOT JAGER

So, the historical Jesus would have been called Yeshua bar Yosef. That is good to know I have been calling him Joshua ben Joseph.

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(Anonymous)

But, of course, as scholars have pointed out, Jesus was a common name in the region at that time. Estimates are available there may have been 20 families in the city at that time with a father named Joseph and brothers named Jesus and James.

The proponents of the "this is Jesus's brother's burial thingy" say that it was rare to put a relation's name on this type of object. That indicated the importance of the relation. There are perhaps two other objects like this known that are inscribed in this way.

While I'm willing to accept this, we know absolutely nothing about Jesus's siblings. We don't know who James was. Cousin? Brother? Half-brother? Apostle? However, if the legend of Jesus is to be believed, at the time this object was created I don't think it would have been a good idea to be associated with Jesus. You wouldn't see an inscription like this from the family of Jesus perhaps in the same way you aren't going to see a headstone in the near future saying "Amy, mother of Jeffrey Dahmer."

In the end, this is a facinating and important historical object for what it simply is. However, it does very little, in my mind, to validate the reality of Jesus. He remains a fictional figure, and in the end there is nothing wrong with that.
Modern Pagan religion is not mainstream famous or widely respected, but that doesn't mean some big ole Witch won't have a pentagram carved on her tombstone.

Still, I don't think you'll see any tombstone that says, "Brother of Starhawk" or "Sister of Issac Bonewits". Then again, maybe there will be some that say, "Water-brother to Oberon Zell". Who knows?

some cachet

I have to agree with you on this.

Since James' community was the Christian church of Jerusalem, which he headed, and James was martyred for his faith, I think Jesus' name had some cachet in James' community.

Stone Box May Be Oldest Link to Jesus Scholar Believes 60 A.D. Relic Authentic
By Guy Gugliotta
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 22, 2002; Page A01

"Lemaire calculated that there could have been perhaps 20 people out of a contemporary Jerusalem population of 80,000 who fulfilled the requirement of being "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus.""

"And while mentioning the father of the deceased on an ossuary is relatively common, a brother's name usually appears only if the brother paid for the funeral, "or if the brother is famous," Shanks said. "That certainly would be the case here.""

"Early historians say St. James was stoned to death around 62 or 63 A.D. for teaching the divinity of Jesus. And while James is described as a "brother" of Jesus not only in the Pauline epistles but also in the Gospel of Matthew, there are three different interpretations of the relationship."

Burial Box May Be That of Jesus's Brother, Expert Says
by Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
October 21, 2002

"Whether Jesus was the son of God is a theological problem, said Lemaire. But historians don't doubt the existence of either James or Jesus; both are mentioned frequently in early historical accounts. "

Do we care?

If you found out today that Jesus was an actual historical person would it change your beliefs or behavior?

Re: Do we care?

Well, yes I do care.

But no it would not change my beliefs because my current beliefs are based on him being an actual historical person. I believe Yeshua bar Yosef was a Jewish mystic and reformer, that he probably believed he was the massiah, and that he probably expected the return of the kingdom of Isreal in his life time. I believe the Yeshua bar Yosef would not recognize the religion the grew up around his teachings since it has degenerated into anti-semeticism, Zorastrianism, and Pauline misogyny.

I take his life and the subsequent history of Christianity as a cautionary tale on my own life path.

Re: Do we care?

What if anything would change for you if you had proof that he was NOT a real person?

Re: Do we care?

Well you got me there.

Nothing would change for me.

If he wasn't real then I would fall back to the next theory: that he is the confabulation of several similar individuals in the same time period. And I would have to remind myself that the difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sence.