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Glen Beck is an idiot.

I wouldn't even know who Glen Beck was if Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert didn't mock him.

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Glen beck has started a "9/12 Project" based on his 9 Principles and 12 Values
"The 9/12 project is not for families of the victims of 9/11, just for people who are building their careers on it." Stephen Colbert

The 12 Values Are pretty good. I have no problem with: Honesty, Reverence, Hope, Thrift, Humility, Charity, Sincerity, Moderation, Hard Work, Courage, Personal Responsibility, & Gratitude. They are all good things. Although I notice he has left out integrity and compassion, not big conservative values.

The 9 Principles are more problematic
1. America Is Good.
Well, I would like that to be true, but I don't think it is a principle. If one is to uphold the value of Honesty one would have to admit that America is not always good.
"'My country, right or wrong,' is a thing that no patriot would think of saying. It is like saying, 'My mother, drunk or sober.'" G. K. Chesterton

“I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism: ‘Our country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right.’”—Schurz, “The Policy of Imperialism,” Speeches, Correspondence and Political Papers of Carl Schurz, vol. 6, pp. 119–20 (1913).

My country—when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put right. is a principle I can stand behind.
2. I believe in God and He is the Center of my Life.

While I consider myself a religious person I don't particularly go for this one. I'm not a monotheist, and gods are not what pagan religion is about.
3. I must always try to be a more honest person than I was yesterday.
Honesty “I hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider to be the most enviable of all titles, the character of an honest man.” George Washington

That is just a repeat of the value of the Honesty.
4. The family is sacred. My spouse and I are the ultimate authority, not the government.

The use of the "sacred" in this context makes me uncomfortable. And I don't agree that the married couple is an "ultimate authority". I believe in the value of Personal Responsibility which makes me the ultimate authority over my own actions but not over my neighbors.
5. If you break the law you pay the penalty. Justice is blind and no one is above it.
Justice “I deem one of the essential principles of our government… equal and exact justice to all men of whatever state or persuasion, religious or political.” Thomas Jefferson

I doubt Thomas Jefferson would agree with Glen Beck about what equal justice means. But I'm glad Glen Beck believes that no one is above the law. I assume that means he has come out in favor of a war crimes trial for George W Bush.
6. I have a right to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, but there is no guarantee of equal results.
Life, Liberty, & The Pursuit of Happiness “Everyone has a natural right to choose that vocation in life which he thinks most likely to give him comfortable subsistence.” Thomas Jefferson

That is fine. I have not heard anyone claiming a right to equal results.
7. I work hard for what I have and I will share it with who I want to. Government cannot force me to be charitable.
Charity “It is not everyone who asketh that deserveth charity; all however, are worth of the inquiry or the deserving may suffer.” George Washington

Yes, government can. By living in a society you agree to abide with the laws of that society. For some reason Conservatives are perfectly willing to take the benefits of society but always bulk at contributing. That Washing quote does not support Glen Beck's assertion.
8. It is not un-American for me to disagree with authority or to share my personal opinion.
On your right to disagree “In a free and republican government, you cannot restrain the voice of the multitude; every man will speak as he thinks, or more properly without thinking.” George Washington

I would go even farther and say it is very American to disagree with authority and express one's personal opinion. Other people mocking you for it is part of that general right. This is another area where Conservatives are perfectly happy to enjoy the benefits of society but want to deny those benefits to others. It is Ok for them to disagree and opine, but they get very upset when people disagree with or criticize them.
9. The government works for me. I do not answer to them, they answer to me.
Who works for whom? “I consider the people who constitute a society or a nation as the source of all authority in that nation.” Thomas Jefferson

The government is certainly of, by, and for the people. But being a citizen means consenting to obey the authority of the government. I was just researching the Death of Socrates where he talks about that. His position was that if you don't object to and try to change the laws of your nation before they are brought to bare on you, then you have no grounds to object afterward. If you think the laws of your nation are wrong you have an obligation to oppose them. If you don't oppose them, you can't complain later.

I much prefer the 7 Principles of Unitarian Universalism.
1 The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
2 Justice, equality and compassion in human relations;
3 Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
4 A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
5 The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
6 The goal of world community with peace, liberty and justice for all;
7 Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.


On the whole, I like Unitarian Universalism.

I'd never heard of the "9/12 Project," but it leaves me full of meh.
Glen Beck is also mocked on a regular basis by Keith Olbermann. It's been fascinating to watch MSNBC and see it shift from left to progressive. Ed Shultz is getting an hour for his very, very own on MSNBC, at the 6pm slot. This means from 6 until midnight or later, MSNBC will be the visual equivelant of Air America.

Also, do NOT presume Beck supports prosecution of W. Bush. As you rightly pointed out, they like to use those listed values for themselves to better themselves, not to prosecute their own.
i don't watch Olbermann as often as Stewart or Colbert. Olbermann makes me cry sometimes, I agree with him but he is more angry then funny.
Yes, he is not a comedian playing at being a newscaster. He's a sports guy who's now a pundit. ^_^
My comment about Beck supporting the prosecution of W was sarcastic.
wow.i would never hear of these crazy conservatives if it wasn't for your political posts. though I like that you usually do it with some colbert or daily show. :) those two are awesome.

and that Glenn Beck is so fake it hurts. I like the UU principles as well.:)