Log in

No account? Create an account

March 2018



Powered by LiveJournal.com

Acknowledging that other people are human beings too.

fritterfae taught me something new today.

Harry Hay a leader of the gay rights movement in the United States. Advocated a philosophy he called Subject-Subject Consciousness which he believed to be queer people's unique perspective.
"Hay saw heterosexual society existing in a subject-object dynamic; where men, who had the culturally acceptable power, saw only themselves as subject and therefore higher than women, who were treated as objects and property. Hay extrapolated this interpersonal-sexual dynamic (male-power:female-subordinate) into a broader social context, believing that the subject-object relationship was the driving force behind most all of societies ills. Objectification served as a barrier, emotionally separating an individual (subject) from another individual by dehumanizing them, making them object.

Although sounds very much like Martin Buber's "I and Thou" philosophy, which he wrote in 1923. Martin Buber even uses the "subject-subject" and "subject-object" language.

Feminist have been aware of the sexual objectification of women for a long time.
"To treat someone as merely a body for another's use, without recognizing that she too is a subject with desires, is to treat someone as a slave, as a subhuman creature or object, and therefore violates her dignity as a human being."

It also sounds like the "power-over" and "power-with" that Starhawk is always talking about. recognizing the "inherent worth" of others is part of a philosophy of divine immanence.
"I honor the place in you
where the entire universe resides.
I honor the place in you
of love, of light, of truth, of peace.
I honor the place within you, where,
if you are in that place in you,
and I am in that place in me,
there is only one of us."

And the Unitarian Universalist first Principle "The inherent worth and dignity of every person"

Jews, Women, Gays... minorities that all developed philosophies that the world would be a lot better place if other people would just treat you like a human being instead of an object.

I don't have African Americans represented here. It could be just because I am totally ignorant of African American philosophy or it could be that the subject is just so obvious to them that they haven't bothered to discuss it. "It is better if people don't buy and sell you like a piece a meat. Well, Duh!"

Anyway, fritterfae got me thinking about all these things and I just wanted to gather my thoughts and put them all in one place.


In every study I've seen, they show quality of life for everyone goes up where women are treated fairly, equally and/or justly. There is no such thing as good quality of life for just straight men, and have that not make problems for the whole of a society.

show quality of life

I'm not sure how they would even begin to structure that sudy to make it meaningful in an historical context. There is a sort of trueism involved in that proposition. If one group within a society is increasing it's quality of life at the expense of another then quality of life is going down for that segment of society. "It takes 20 men with their feet on the ground to keep one man with his head in the sky" Only a small number of people benefit and a larger number suffer. So, the quality of life on average will go down. For a giver measure of "quality of life".

More specifically one of the measures of quality of life is infant mortality and in patriarchal societies child welfare is a very low priority. Increasing the quality of life of women decreases child mortality in a pretty straight forward manner.

I guess what I'm saying is that - Yes, when one group benefits at the expense of others "society as a whole" suffers, But that one group makes out quite well.
"If I want to prosper you must suffer."
"If I suffer society as a whole suffers."
"Yes, but I'll prosper."

Capitalism in a nutshell, really.